| The Guru Question
 
 We received the following query about the link
          between the Spiral levels and gurus
          from a European reader:
 
 
            "I've got a few important questions I know more and more
            people are interested in:
 Is submission to gurus post-Green (Yellow or Turquoise)?
 Or if not, does submission to gurus help us evolve to a post-Green
            level?
 Or is submission to gurus just a concept and practice rooted in Blue
            Hinduism traditions?
 And is the authoritarian and seemingly egocentric behaviour of many
            gurus really an aspect of the post-Green stages?
 And if it is, shouldn't we better stay on the lower levels then?
 You wouldn't believe how often people ask these questions after
            reading about Spiral Dynamics in the latest works of Ken Wilber,
            Andrew Cohen and Don Beck.
 Many New-Agers and spiritual fundamentalists today argue that
            resistance to guru worshipping is a symptom of the deeply
            narcissistic Mean Green meme, that submission to gurus is the best
            way to evolve to the post-Green levels and that authoritarian
            egobashing guru behaviour shows you have reached the second tier
            level. No wonder Spiral Dynamics is suspected to be a cult by those,
            who only heard from it by these sources.
 
 This not only means that these interpretations have become a danger
            to the integrity and reputation of Spiral Dynamics, it also means
            that aspects of the terminology and theories of Spiral Dynamics are
            used to manipulate people to join spiritual cults. If you want the
            name Spiral Dynamics to stand for more in the near future than a
            theory that justifies and supports spreading authoritarian Hindu
            traditions in the western world, please answer these questions about
            guru behaviour and submission to gurus in the context of the
            authentic Spiral Dynamics theories.
 
 Thanks for your answers. Many people need it."
 AnswersIf many people need it - and we are receiving a lot of questions
          like this one - we offer a response. We should say up front that we
          are not experts on spiritual matters or religion, so we sought insight
          from colleagues who are, and we share tidbits of conversations with
          some in the remarks below. However, except for the direct quotations,
          the opinions expressed are ours and should not necessarily be
          attributed to our friends and associates.
 
 Furthermore, the answers are not simple since there are complex
          relationships, need systems, and even semantics involved in this
          discussion. Without referencing specific people, practices, and
          relationships, it is nearly impossible to characterize spiritual
          approaches or particular ‘gurus', so we will make no attempt to do
          that. Instead, we offer some general views on gurus and submission in
          the context of the questions above and leave it to readers to reach
          their own conclusions based on their own experiences.
 GurusThe broader question isn’t about a specific guru or the
          different ways gurus might be defined. It is about the relationship
          between people and how transformation occurs as a result of it. This
          question is more about how people search out and define who their
          guru(s) might be, what they are willing to do to nourish their souls,
          and why they attach to one teacher rather than another. The question
          reflects the longing that propels people towards the spiritual
          journey. It is this journey that sometimes causes some people to seek
          a guide, mentor, teacher, or guru. The roles and forms differ, but the
          general desire is the exploration, understanding, or transcending of
          one conscious self for another. With the increasing conflation of SD
          with spirituality, and many seeking to turn a theory-based framework
          into a faith-based quasi-religion and path to godliness, the questions
          at hand are relevant. We found this comment offers a useful perspective
          on the guru question:
 
            "Authentic spirituality is highly demanding; it demands that
            you sacrifice your ego and its cherished suffering through genuine
            understanding; it demands that you cast away the known and venture
            into the unknown; it demands that you committedly respond to and
            consistently live with the call of the creative vision that you are;
            and it demands that you be psychologically free from all forms of
            gurus or external authorities and that you enter the temple of
            transformation all alone. Authentic spirituality thus demands
            self-responsibility, self-integrity, and inner freedom from the
            guru. As defined above, self-responsibility is the ability to
            respond to the creative vision that you are that summons you to the
            untrodden path of your singular kosmic destiny; self-integrity is
            the ability to live your life in a manner that is consistent with
            this summons and thereby with the creative vision that you are.
            Freedom from the guru entails that you are possessed of inner
            authority and authorship and remain independent of all forms of
            external authority in the matter of thinking and knowing.
            Paradoxical though it may sound, it is only those who are
            psychologically and intellectually free from the guru, who can
            utilize, when necessary or beneficial, someone who is possessed of a
            higher-order inner awareness of the forces of kosmic intelligence
            (guru) working in the universe as a syntropic, order-creating,
            meaning-bestowing, evolutionary principle."
 Yasuhiko Genku Kimura. (2000) "Self-Responsibility,
            Self-Integrity, and Freedom from the Guru." p. 6-7.
 http://www.via-visioninaction.org/Self-Responsibility__Self-Intregrity__Freedom_from_Guru.pdf
 The meaning of gurusJust what is a guru? What can the term mean? Let us begin this
          discussion by differentiating among the kinds of gurus suggested by
          the questions.
 
 The first and most common usage today grows from the attribution of
          expertise, mastery and authority (not authoritarianism). This is the
          usual business book version - a strategy or marketing guru, a
          management or corporate turnaround guru. The world of sales is rich in
          slick gurus. The IT world has its share of blue jeans-wearing gurus
          with skills in software or information systems. Starbuck's has its
          coffee gurus and Nikon its lens gurus. This is the guru of
          competence, experience and demonstrated skills – a guru as a knower
          and doer.
 
 There are personal development gurus who empower, coach, and help
          individuals and organizations. They guide change and facilitate
          transformations by helping the person/group to recognize what is
          already there by providing information/insight and new frames. Many
          people who claim the title of "spiral wizard" paint
          themselves in this light; it is often an Orange phenomenon - the quest
          for better, fuller, richer lives. There are the self-help gurus who
          promote engagement in the world for success and prosperity (both their
          students' and their own), or for individualized discovery and
          exploration through expanded consciousness. Others reject the material
          aspects and promote a return to the spiritual life in a backlash to
          the mercantile age. In other words, there are gurus of the deny-self
          and the express-self systems, gurus for the "I" and the
          "we," for the do and the be.
 
 There's another kind of less-directive guru who is a mentor or teacher
          and shares knowledge with protégés and apprentices who are anxious
          to learn and carry the understanding forward. Teaching has long been
          considered noble because it demands a degree of sacrifice of self so
          the student might grow. These gurus may be secular professors,
          preachers, executives, and parents; or they might be religious
          teachers and spiritual guides. Sometimes they instruct, and sometimes
          they lead by example in a more knowing / less knowing relationship –
          the skilled master willing to share and the willing apprentice anxious
          to learn. These gurus range from the scrupulously honest with only the
          best of intent to unscrupulous charlatans intent upon lining their
          pockets or feeding their egos.** If this kind of guru/disciple
          relationship is healthy, both the mentor and the disciple grow in the
          process since neither is dominating nor exploiting the other;
          knowledge, wisdom or discovery is their guide. If the disciple
          ultimately reaches beyond the guru, that is celebrated, not resented,
          because the relationship was authentic and not competitive. One’s
          success doesn’t mean failure for the other, and the interplay
          transforms both in positive ways.
 
 Then there is the traditional meaning of the word as related to
          established religions and spiritual practices. Many of these rely on
          gurus (variously called) and find value in the guru/disciple,
          master/student hierarchical relationship. Sikhism had ten Enlightened
          Masters through whom divine guidance was delivered to earth. The Hindu
          guru carries the weight of divine knowledge or spiritual wisdom - a
          conduit toward enlightenment. In Buddhism, the guru is an experienced
          guide who can help the individual on the path to inner wisdom (see
          Yasuhiko's article for more). Jesus had disciples who carried
          Christianity forward. Many of these spiritual gurus - both ancient and
          contemporary - have sought to exemplify ‘higher’ ways of being
          through their own simple living and thinking. This is typically a
          long-term relationship that requires fit among the master, the
          disciple, the practice, and the larger intent. There are three
          primary relationships within the intent: a) the disciple/guru; b) the
          guru/practice; c) the disciple/practice. In each, in the traditional
          sense, one submits to the other. Either the guru or the disciple may
          insist that the disciple submits to the guru. The guru may submit to
          the practice or use the practice to boost his own ego. The disciple
          may model the guru and submit to the practice, use the practice to
          serve ego needs, or oppose the guru’s approach. The reason these
          things happen can be found in Spiral
          Dynamics® programs, but SD itself is not a
          practice, though some use it to serve their egos. The thinking of the
          guru, the disciple and the appropriateness of the practice to either
          one or both can be better understood through the Spiral lens, just as
          the Spiral
          provides a way to think about spirituality and consciousness. The
          guru is not necessarily perfect and without human flaws; the guru is a
          person, after all. In the best case scenario, the guru is instructive
          and is a catalyst for growth. The guru is more enlightened than the
          disciple, yet still learning as part of a chain of the guru/disciple
          relationship. Some attributes of the worthy guru would include an
          ethical base with positive intent, freedom from egoistic thoughts, a
          desire to help rather than harm, and demonstrated love and compassion.
          A few are in touch with what Castaneda (a teacher with many of his own
          issues, guru-wise) called 'impeccable intent' as they look within and
          let others ride along on the explorations of a force that is far
          deeper than the shaman, the warrior, guru, or even spirituality.
 
 In the worst case scenario, the guru is addicted to guru status and
          uses the practice and the disciples to feed holes in his/her ego,
          finances, personality, sense of power, etc. If clever when challenged,
          the guru will excuse exploitive abusiveness and bullying as a test or
          a requirement for the disciple’s growth, while demanding greater and
          greater sacrifices. Thus, the disciple plays a key role, for no guru
          can be recognized without at least one disciple. In the case of the
          Hawaiian kahuna – a guru of sorts - the kahuna is an expert in some
          area, whether it be fishing, hula, healing or shamanic practices. The
          guru will never call him/herself a kahuna, for to do so is proof that
          one is not. When the followers or disciples call a person a kahuna,
          then the master becomes a ‘guru.’ In this case, the guru is
          created by disciples. The need to worship a person as a guru is
          an interesting one. The addicted follower might find having a guru is
          like a drug, as well. Some move from guru to guru as if in addiction;
          others simply need to place someone on a pedestal for a time while
          looking outside themselves for instruction, guidance and leadership
          – in a pinch, any old guru would do. Then there are those who refuse
          to accept any authority no matter how competent, experienced, or
          knowledgeable the person might be, guru or not. Finally, a
          practice itself can be a guide without a human agent. Sometimes
          interpreters are required; at others the practice fits so well that
          its intent plays the role of guiding the disciple. The practice itself
          becomes the guru, a teacher without material form.
 
 As we continue to point out, the models taught in Spiral
          Dynamics® workshops help explain how a person thinks
          about the mysteries in life. The Spiral model explains why some need gurus, how
          gurus think about their disciples, how disciples think about their
          gurus, and how gurus and disciples approach their practice; but it is
          not a map of esoteric development or a spiritual path in its own
          right. Higher Gravesian levels do not equate with increasing
          proximity to guru qualifications, though it does explain why some
          gurus demand submission while others would never dream of it, let
          alone accept the label with false modesty or reject it with false
          pride.
 
 Submission
 Again quoting Yasuhiko Kimura who differentiates stages (the
          Spiral's
          levels of existence and psychologies) from the development of
          spiritual states:
 
            "For the path of state development or the path of spiritual
            enlightenment, the guru is not the necessary but only the sufficient
            condition, as there have been numerous people who have attained
            enlightenment without the presence or help of a guru. However, it is
            necessary that the person on the path is a disciple or student,
            totally committed to learning and completely open to be transformed.
            One must transcend one's egological confines, and for which purpose
            the presence of a guru is helpful. And it takes a person of strong
            and developed character to be able to surrender his or her ego. It
            is not that he or she is surrendering the ego to his or her guru,
            but the guru works as a catalyst for the disciple's surrender of his
            or her ego. It is not submission to someone but pure surrender, pure
            release of one's ego. In today's society, it is hard to find people
            who have developed a moral character strong enough to make them able
            to surrender their egological preoccupations. And it is even harder
            to find an authentic guru who can work as a catalyst for someone's
            spiritual enlightenment."  (Personal correspondence with the authors, 2006; used with
            permission.)
 So one meaning of 'submission' is a surrender of egoism with an
          openness to the experience of living and becoming. This is growth.
          Another taken from Islam is submission to God as all-knowing and
          singularly all-powerful. Our read of the question posed here suggests,
          however, the surrender of power to human authority. While the
          surrender of egoism liberates individual freedom of thought and
          action, submission to authoritarianism is a narrowing of inquiry, a
          collapse of healthy skepticism, and a decline in degrees of freedom
          for those whose thinking goes beyond the Blue system. 
 Many ancient practices demand the discipline and submission which are
          a necessary step for those learning self-control, impulse management,
          obedience to rightful authority, and patience in their transitions
          from Red to Blue. Many practices over the ages were designed to
          facilitate this very transition which the great religions reinforce.
          These very practices carry over to our time, even when they are out of
          step with aspects of today’s thinking and behavior. While submission
          in recognition of the need to learn and to acknowledge greater wisdom
          and experience is often constructive, blind obedience or bowing down
          before intimidation or promised reward is not. Again, ask which
          Gravesian systems are active in the situation and how the
          teacher-student, leader-follower dynamics would play out. Some need a
          dominator ethic; others refute it. Like leadership, submission is a
          two-dimensional thing: both those who submit and those who demand or
          accept submissiveness are parties to a social contract.
 
 "Is submission to gurus post-Green (Yellow or
          Turquoise)?"
 Just as there are different meanings for the word ‘guru’
          there are different interpretations of what it means to submit. If
          obedient submission to authority, then it is not likely post-Blue,
          though someone might choose to submit in order to meet the needs of an
          authority as a choice, not a mandate, even though that goes against
          the grain anywhere beyond Orange. If submission means recognition
          of greater wisdom and insight, then perhaps submission of that type
          could fit post-Blue. That is not submission to a guru as superior
          being, however. It is simply recognition of greater skill, insight,
          wisdom or knowledge. Submissiveness and obedience are more in line
          with the cool (sacrifice-self systems), so submission to a persona
          wouldn't be part of Green, let alone post-Green, i.e., Yellow,
          Turquoise, etc. An openness to learning and the recognition that a
          more knowing, more experienced person has something to teach would be,
          though that is available to the sensible human being at any level and
          not a marker of post-Green, either.
 
 If submission to a guru is equated with idealization of a higher
          authority, that is definitely more consistent with the Blue system,
          just as submission to shamanistic custom and spirit beings would fit
          well in Purple. (Other shamanic practices fall elsewhere on the
          spiral.) These kinds of submission are part of human nature the more
          complex levels move away from.
 
 Refusal to submit obediently and on cue is sometimes framed as
          blasphemy and sinful by those vested in the guru worship system (see
          below), especially those in the guru business who see it as a threat
          to revenues or those vested in absolute faithfulness who see heresy as
          a threat to their all-important cause or cult. If one takes
          "submission" in the sense Yasuhiko describes it above, then
          it is a break from the egoic self-center, but not necessarily into an
          alignment with a guru or an abandonment of the internal. Quite the
          contrary. One is less full of one's self, but more aware of the self
          in the process of discovering that which is beyond the self. Thus, our
          sense is that the post-Orange guru/disciple relationship is one of
          mutual growth in which both elements are expanded in the dynamic
          process of adjusting to changing circumstances, and with a greater
          positive intent.
 
 "Does submission to gurus help us evolve to a post-Green
          level?"
 Not likely. We evolve based on the interaction of forces in
          the milieu (existential problems) and neuronal systems activated in
          the organism. (Where these come from is a much larger question.)
          Submission to a charismatic person is a fairly low-order behavior -
          great for parenting and fostering compliance in authoritarian regimes
          or theologies, not so good for empowering human beings to think for
          themselves as beings intervolved with others. (That said, submission
          is quite appropriate for some people at certain stages of
          psychological development since the needs to be guided and to be a
          guru can be complementary and mutually reinforcing in a congruent
          guru/disciple relationship.) In the typical sense of submission, once
          a person has had enough of their guru, begins to question the
          authority of the guru, and challenges basic assumptions, then the
          disciple is ready to move beyond Blue and into Orange. Perhaps the
          guru had a lot to do with it; perhaps not.
 
 Consider some variations on submission and guru needs: a Blue reaction
          is deference to the proper kind of guru (of our sect, religion,
          belief, philosophy). The Orange reaction is often to challenge and
          test - it's a game of who's the mightier guru, me or him? (All are
          gurus in their own minds – gurudom is ultimately within.) For Green,
          the idea of guru is more of a colleague and equal sharing insights
          from their perspective as one among many; this is a leveling system,
          so that's about as far as it goes. (Watch for Green-speak in minds
          centralized elsewhere, though; thus the reverential tone with some New
          Age religiosity or over-intellectualizing of simple stuff which is
          more Orange puffery and Blue hierarchicalism.) For Yellow, he/she
          might see how others might have a guru, they probably wouldn't use the
          term, and a "guru" would imply the more knowing, but not in
          a submissive way; just a recognition that the person knows something
          of use and which can be understood. No big deal; no worship, no
          reverence. Being open to learning from people who are more-knowing and
          capable is quite different from submission. Only a fool has nothing to
          learn from others, and apprenticeship is a path for learning. Respect
          for someone's personal qualities or their skills requires
          differentiation, not submission; and one can respect the knowledge of
          someone who is otherwise a consummate jerk. Temperament is as much a
          variable among gurus as anyone else. Look to the Spiral for a clue as to guru
          styles of best fit for the various levels.
 
 If it's the right kind of relationship, then mentoring could be a
          catalyst for emergence. The guru as catalyst is a neutral agent who
          facilitates change but does not participate directly in it; there is
          no need for worship in a more peer-like relationship. But again, this
          is not submission in the ordinary sense of obedience and subservience
          to a superior person; it is to a broader experience of being.
 
 "Or is submission to gurus just a concept and practice
          rooted in Blue Hinduism traditions?"
 Submission to gurus fits many traditions in many ways, not
          just Hinduism. Like most religious traditions, Hinduism manifests
          itself in a range of spiral colors and forms. So do Buddhism and other
          paths (see above). It's easy to find Christian groups that are
          guru-centric, too, though the title would be Rev., Father or Brother,
          or even a first name spoken with all due reverence. It's the approach
          to Christianity or any other religion that's involved more than
          theology. In any Blue-oriented version, the guru is a directive
          authority within a hierarchy. Other versions see the guru as
          enlightener and channel for insight from 'the other side' or the
          ancients. There are also some vestiges of Purple in the sense of
          extended family and fellowship around a master, but obedience to
          rightful authority according to tradition is a key to the Blue fourth
          level.
 
 Submission is, after all, the meaning of Islam; but it is submission
          to God above anything and anyone else. Submissive obedience to
          powerful individual leaders came relatively recently to the Muslim
          world and presents many contradictions to that faith. If there is a
          recognition of one God or the truth and a universal and absolute set
          of guiding rules whereby to live which are passed down from God to the
          guru thence to the follower, it rings of DQ. But the top of the
          pyramid might be secular, as well, in a non-theistic structure. Was
          Chairman Mao not a guru for some? For Green, conformity is more to
          social forces and peer pressures - individuals are seen as equals and
          don't have that much influence, so 'submission to gurus' would be
          contrary to this level.
 
 "And is the authoritarian and seemingly egocentric
          behaviour of many gurus really an aspect of the post-Green
          stages?"
 Egocentric or authoritarian behavior are unlikely aspects of
          post-Orange stages, though it's again more a function of individual
          temperament and style. Some gurus are nicer and better adjusted than
          others. A little abuse and autocracy feel good to some personalities;
          it's how they're best led and most comfortable. A dominator ethic fits
          the social contracts of some levels and brings peace of mind, whereas
          individualized ambiguity does not. As to the post-Green, if
          compulsiveness and irrational fears drop away as Green fades to
          Yellow, why would anyone functioning in that way have needs to be a
          'guru' in the authoritarian sense? It would be an annoyance, not a
          liberation.
 
 Authoritarianism surges at Blue and often carries over into Orange,
          especially if there is egotism, narcissism, or pomposity attached to a
          mind increasingly convinced of its own rightness. (Look to some
          holdover of Red if it is aggressively punitive.) Stories like 'The
          Emperor's New Clothes" and even "The Wizard of Oz" are
          written about such things. So egocentric behavior is better evidence
          of not being in the post-Orange stages, as well as a temperament
          factor. The need for worshippers and priority on self-importance is
          rather typical of the Blue to Orange transition where narcissism fits
          so well. The Rock Star impulse seems to be strong for many new-wave
          gurus who relish fame and prominence more than wisdom, and it is not
          something one would expect from people actualizing at higher levels of
          psychological existence who tend to be neither hermits nor
          celebrities.
 
 "And if it [the authoritarian and seemingly egocentric
          behaviour of many gurus] is [an aspect of the post-green stages]
          shouldn't we better stay on the lower levels then?"
 Since the premise is false, no. Green and post-Green stages
          are what is and must be next for many human beings. The rising F, A',
          and perhaps B' existence problems demands it. In point of fact, people
          who behave in authoritarian and egocentric ways are demonstrating
          lower-level functioning and neediness, themselves, rather than the
          higher level behavior they purport to represent. "Do as I say,
          not as I do" is not the motto of much of a guru. It's important
          to listen to what a guru says and also to look at how the guru behaves
          and lives; that is part of the teaching. Follow the feet as well as
          the words. Sometimes there's consistency, and sometimes the grandiose
          talk covers a pretty bizarre personality. Beware false humbleness, a
          cloak of modesty which sometimes covers a manipulative intent. (“I
          shall act quite humble. That’ll nail 'em.”) Look to what the
          person finds humorous and whether there is real compassion or only
          talk about it. Sometimes great truths are uttered by mad men, and
          sometimes men speaking nonsense are put up on pedestals by mad
          followers. As to it being better to stay in lower levels, recall
          the Gravesian premise: in the long run of time, higher levels are
          better than lower levels because they offer more degrees of freedom
          and open more possibilities for appropriate action congruent with new
          existential problems. At the same time, the most appropriate level for
          the problems at hand is a matching one - for a while. Sometimes it is
          a half step ahead. A stretch is required to promote movement, if
          movement there is to be. Moreover, we cannot stop the river of life -
          human experience rolls inexorably on compounding our knowledge and the
          complexity of our world as we stretch our awareness. Guru-wise, the
          matter is more the selection of genuine gurus who fit and avoiding
          false prophets and hucksters than staying in lower levels. Lower
          levels are inadequate to address many of today's problems, so building
          a dam for human awareness is no solution.
 
 "Many New-Agers and spiritual fundamentalists today argue
          that resistance to guru worshipping is a symptom of the deeply
          narcissistic Mean Green meme, that submission to gurus is the best way
          to evolve to the post-Green levels and that authoritarian egobashing
          guru behaviour shows you have reached the second tier
          level."
 Our response to the preceding statement is simple: balderdash.
          In our opinion, the "Mean Green meme" proposition has added
          great confusion and easy stereotypes but little of constructive
          substance. (See the FAQ on the MGM for more.) We believe it is a
          misnomer and that equating narcissism with FS is a serious blunder.
          Narcissism, when used clinically, is psychopathology and a personality
          disorder; it's not a Gravesian level. Although elements of it may be well
          described in the Blue to Orange transition stage, it's a mistake to
          equate the levels with the pathology.
 
 "Authoritarian egobashing guru behavior" might work with
          followers incapable of thinking for themselves, or who feel better
          when being dominated and abused. Some people like bondage games, too.
          But a demonstration of reaching second tier? No way.
 
 Obeisance to authorities is part of the Blue mindset. True believers,
          whether wrapped in New Age jargon or fundamentalism of another stripe,
          would find resistance to obedience to rightful higher authority
          difficult for themselves, and highly improper for others. People
          centralized in the sacrifice-self systems also object strenuously when
          individuation rears its head because it brings about disorder and
          challenges the order of things. In that view, "good" people
          don't challenge their political or religious leaders - they submit to
          their authority, narcissistic or not.
 
 --posted April 30, 2006 by Cowan & Todorovic
 
 
 
  
 
 * Thanks to Pete Peterson and Yasuhiko Genku Kimura for sharing their
          thoughts and contributing insights for this piece.
 
 ** A sampling of the wide range of gurus appears at Sarlo's
          Guru Rating Service. A critical view of Andrew Cohen's approach
          appears at WhatEnlightenment?
          Favorable views of the gurus mentioned here are easy enough to find on
          their own websites.
 
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